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I would appreciate it muchly if you would post the twenty points, then (as you have time and inclination) go into depth with your explanations. I would really like to know what is on the list. I could even research it while I was waiting for your in-depth explanations/discussions.
I can appreciate how you feel. The truth is that I haven’t even decided which 20 I am going to list out of about 40 false doctrines I have noticed. I also feel very strongly that it is better to give people time to really ponder and study each one for a while instead of overwhelming them with a large listing.
Nevertheless, I do appreciate how frustrating it must be to wait so long for each one. I am not intentionally taking this long, I just have lots of other things I need to do.
Hence, I am providing a link to a post I did over a year ago in which I did list 20 doctrines without providing the documentation. Although it does not represent the exact same 20 that I will be posting here, it is probably pretty close. This should give you plenty of food for thought and doctrines to research.
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you. However, words can never do justice. I’ve been interested in Church history for many years and have studied pretty much all that I could get my hands on about Joseph Smith. I have had many internal struggles over the years concerning polygamy/polandry, Adam-God Theory, Temple endownment/masonry, etc. My confusion over the last year had seemed to intensify to the point where I felt like I just wanted to give up. Things just didn’t seem right. I believe through prayer and the grace of God I stumbled upon your websites. Thank you for providing truths that has allowed me to see more clear. I have been blessed. In a way, I feel I have been set free. Praise the Lord!
For some reason, I needed to be reminded that someone out there cares about these things.
I love the fact that you have pondered about church history and the gospel and that you have struggled like I have with many of these issues.
I believe the struggling is a sign the you have integrity of heart and cannot just go along with the crowd accepting the gospel of cognitive dissonance.
May the Lord God continue to bless you and watch over you.
Watcher…. Are you still alive? Just wondering, as it appears you have not posted anything here in a long time. I would love to read through the remainder of your doctrinal disputations. I’m eating this stuff up like candy. I need more!
Question, is D&C 130 an actual revelation? Does it teach true doctrine about the Father and the Son? The reason I ask is because it doesn’t look like one (thus saith the Lord, etc.)
“These selected remarks of the Prophet Joseph, as recorded by William Clayton and later copied by Willard Richards, were first published in the Deseret News on 9 July 1856. They were added to the Doctrine and Covenants as section 130 in the 1876 edition at the direction of Brigham Young.” http://www.gospeldoctrine.com/content/section-130
Verse 12 definitely looks like a prophecy, but the final 2 verses and the apparent discrepancy with http://lecturesonfaith.com/5/#2 makes me wonder if the council that axed the Lectures on Faith because they felt it contradicted this section might have made a mistake and removed the true doctrine for the false one.
And rather than admit that a president of the church [BY] made a mistake in including that with the D&C, they found a way to throw who they said was the author of LoF [Sidney Rigdon] and throw him under the bus.
Comparing 130 to 77 and 113. It is clear from the intro that 77 that it was a revelation:
“In connection with the translation of the Scriptures, I received the following explanation of the Revelation of St. John.”
In 113 many of the answers come as ‘Thus saith the Lord’ answers (except for v. 8, 10). I guess I don’t have a definitive answer on this one, but thought
Thanks for pointing me to that response. That’s really good to know. Time to pull out the whiteout to fix my quad 😉
But that brings up another question for me.
Did joseph smith actually say the following?
“The Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has.” (Joseph Smith, The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 245; Sabbath address, Nauvoo, 27 August 1843. Reported by Franklin D. Richards.)
The Chief Inspector 
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I would appreciate it muchly if you would post the twenty points, then (as you have time and inclination) go into depth with your explanations. I would really like to know what is on the list. I could even research it while I was waiting for your in-depth explanations/discussions.
Toni
I can appreciate how you feel. The truth is that I haven’t even decided which 20 I am going to list out of about 40 false doctrines I have noticed. I also feel very strongly that it is better to give people time to really ponder and study each one for a while instead of overwhelming them with a large listing.
Nevertheless, I do appreciate how frustrating it must be to wait so long for each one. I am not intentionally taking this long, I just have lots of other things I need to do.
Hence, I am providing a link to a post I did over a year ago in which I did list 20 doctrines without providing the documentation. Although it does not represent the exact same 20 that I will be posting here, it is probably pretty close. This should give you plenty of food for thought and doctrines to research.
Thanks for your interest
Watcher
Thank you.
Great stuff Watcher. Look forward to the next piece in this series.
Watcher,
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you. However, words can never do justice. I’ve been interested in Church history for many years and have studied pretty much all that I could get my hands on about Joseph Smith. I have had many internal struggles over the years concerning polygamy/polandry, Adam-God Theory, Temple endownment/masonry, etc. My confusion over the last year had seemed to intensify to the point where I felt like I just wanted to give up. Things just didn’t seem right. I believe through prayer and the grace of God I stumbled upon your websites. Thank you for providing truths that has allowed me to see more clear. I have been blessed. In a way, I feel I have been set free. Praise the Lord!
May God bless you!
Ty
Ty
Thank you for taking to the time to reply.
Your comments meant the world to me.
For some reason, I needed to be reminded that someone out there cares about these things.
I love the fact that you have pondered about church history and the gospel and that you have struggled like I have with many of these issues.
I believe the struggling is a sign the you have integrity of heart and cannot just go along with the crowd accepting the gospel of cognitive dissonance.
May the Lord God continue to bless you and watch over you.
Watcher
Watcher…. Are you still alive? Just wondering, as it appears you have not posted anything here in a long time. I would love to read through the remainder of your doctrinal disputations. I’m eating this stuff up like candy. I need more!
Question, is D&C 130 an actual revelation? Does it teach true doctrine about the Father and the Son? The reason I ask is because it doesn’t look like one (thus saith the Lord, etc.)
“These selected remarks of the Prophet Joseph, as recorded by William Clayton and later copied by Willard Richards, were first published in the Deseret News on 9 July 1856. They were added to the Doctrine and Covenants as section 130 in the 1876 edition at the direction of Brigham Young.”
http://www.gospeldoctrine.com/content/section-130
Verse 12 definitely looks like a prophecy, but the final 2 verses and the apparent discrepancy with http://lecturesonfaith.com/5/#2 makes me wonder if the council that axed the Lectures on Faith because they felt it contradicted this section might have made a mistake and removed the true doctrine for the false one.
And rather than admit that a president of the church [BY] made a mistake in including that with the D&C, they found a way to throw who they said was the author of LoF [Sidney Rigdon] and throw him under the bus.
Comparing 130 to 77 and 113. It is clear from the intro that 77 that it was a revelation:
“In connection with the translation of the Scriptures, I received the following explanation of the Revelation of St. John.”
In 113 many of the answers come as ‘Thus saith the Lord’ answers (except for v. 8, 10). I guess I don’t have a definitive answer on this one, but thought
In answer to your question. NO!!
It was not a revelation. It was a false doctrine that Elder Hyde had been teaching.
Thanks for pointing me to that response. That’s really good to know. Time to pull out the whiteout to fix my quad 😉
But that brings up another question for me.
Did joseph smith actually say the following?
“The Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has.” (Joseph Smith, The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 245; Sabbath address, Nauvoo, 27 August 1843. Reported by Franklin D. Richards.)
See https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/words-joseph-smith-contemporary-accounts-nauvoo-discourses-prophet-joseph/1843/27-august#_ednref26
Actually he probably did not make that statement. See my following post for the scoop